5w4 Enneagram, INFJ Type 5 Enneagram – The Iconoclast

I recently became interested in Enneagram after attending an MBTI meeting with INFJs and finding out that I have enneagram 5w4. Among this personality system, 5w4 enneagrm is rare similar

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After reading about it for  some time I have come to the conclusion that MBTI is brain functioning and Enneagram is about morals and values in life. In combination they can describe a person good and compliment each other well.

There also seems to be a correlation between MBTI types and Enneagram types to a certain degree. Here is some interesting reading concerning this subject:

Enneagram Type Test On-Line Stats:
http://www.9types.com/rheti/stats.html

Table of Enneagram Marriage Frequencies:
http://www.9types.com/writeup/enneagram_marriages.html

Enneagram Type and MBTI Type Compared (Statistics):
http://personalitycafe.com/enneagram-personality-theory-forum/85323-enneagram-type-mbti-type-compared-statistics.html

This is a great book explaining everything you need to know about Enneagram, highly recommended:
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I’ve also done a bunch of Enneagram tests myself and recently bought the Riso-Hudson Enneagram Type Indicator test which is a scientifically validated test for testing your Enneagram type. You can find it here: http://www.enneagraminstitute.com/

My results concerning my own Enneagram type is that I’m a 5w4. Here is some information about the 5w4 type that I’ve copied:

5w4 – The Five with a Four-Wing: “The Iconoclast”

 

The traits of the Five and those of the Four reinforce each other in many ways. Both Five and Four are withdrawn types: they turn to the inner world of their imagination to defend their egos and to reinforce their sense of self.

They both feel that something essential in themselves must be found before they can live their lives completely. Fives lack the confidence to act, and Fours lack a strong, stable sense of identity. Thus, Fives with a Four-wing have difficulty connecting with others and staying grounded.

People of this subtype are more emotional and introverted than Fives with a Six-wing, althrough paradoxically, they tend to be more sociable than the other subtype. As a result of their Four component, they are also more interested in the personal and intrapsychic.

The two types also have some significant differences in their approach. Fives are cerebral, holding experience at arm’s length, while Fours internalize everything to intensify their feelings.

Despite these differences–or because of them–these two personality types make one of the richest subtypes, combining possibilities for outstanding artistic as well as intellectual achievement.

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Albert Einstein, Werner Heisenburg, Friedrich Nietzsche, Georgia O’Keeffe, John Cage, John Lennon, k. d. lang, Laurie Anderson, James Joyce, Emily Dickinson, Stanley Kubrick, David Lynch, Buster Keaton, Gary Larson, Stephen King, Tim Burton, Clive Barker, Franz Kafka, Umberto Eco, Jean-Paul Sartre, Oriana Fallaci, Glenn Gould, Peter Serkin, Hannah Arendt, Kurt Cobain, and Vincent van Gogh.


In healthy people of Enneagram 5w4 subtype:

We find the union of intuition and knowledge, sensitivity and insight, aesthetic appreciation and intellectual endowments.

Fives with a Four-wing are likely to be involved in the arts as writers, directors, designers, musicians, composers, choreographers, and so forth. The subtype has been somewhat overlooked in many descriptions of Fives because they do not fit the stereotype of the academic/scientific Five (the Five with a Six-wing).

This subtype is more synthetic in its thinking, pulling things together and seeking out new ways of looking at things, Also, Fives with a Four-wing tend to utilize their imaginations more than the analytic, systematic parts of the mind which are more the domain of the other subtype.

If they are involved in science, Fives with a Four-wing are drawn to those areas in which there is less emphasis on experimentation and data collection than on intuition and comprehensive vision.

This subtype is particularly aware of–and on the lookout for–the beauty in a mathematical formula, for example. For this subtype, beauty is one of the indications of truth, because the order which beauty represents is a confirmation of the objective rightness of an idea.

One of the foremost strengths of healthy Fives with a Four-wing lies precisely in their intuition, since intuition helps them uncover areas of knowledge where their conscious thoughts have not yet ventured. The

Four-wing adds a desire to find a unique, personal vision to the curiosity and perceptiveness of the Five, and the result is a propensity to “tinker” with familiar forms until they become something almost unrecognizable.

In talented Fives with a Four-wing this can lead to startling innovations in their chosen fields of endeavor.


In Average Fives with a Four-wing, Enneagram 5w4:

The Four-wing adds emotional depth, but causes difficulties in sustaining efforts and in working with others. Fives with a Four-wing are more independent than Fives with a Six-wing and resist having structures and deadlines imposed on them.

There can be an off-putting detachment from the environment, both because they are involved in their thoughts and because they are introverted and emotionally self-absorbed.

Analytic powers may be used to keep people at arm’s length rather than to understand them more deeply. Emotionally delicate, people of this subtype can be moody and hypersensitive to criticism, particularly regarding the value of their work or ideas, since this impinges directly upon self-esteem.

Both component types tend to withdraw from people and be reclusive. They can be highly creative and imaginative, envisioning alternate realities in great detail, but can get lost in their own cerebral landscapes.

The Four-wing gives a propensity to fantasizing, but with the Five with the Four-wing, the subject matter tends toward the surreal and fantastic rather than the romantic. Individuals of this subtype can become highly impractical, spending most of their time reading, playing intellectual games, or specializing in trivia.

There is often an attraction to dark, forbidden subject matter or to any way of self-expression which would disturb or upset others. Some Fives with a Four-wing become fascinated with the macabre and the horrific.

As they become more impractical and fearful about their possibilities in life, one typical solution is to find emotional solace in various forms of self-indulgence–in alcohol, drugs, or sexual escapades.


Unhealthy persons of 5w4 Enneagram subtype:

May fall prey to debilitating depressions yet be disturbed by aggressive impulses. Envy of others mixes with contempt for them; the desire to isolate the self from the world mixes with regret that it must be so.

Intellectual conflicts make their emotional lives seem hopeless, while their emotional conflicts make intellectual work difficult to sustain. Moreover, if this subtype becomes neurotic, it is one of the most alienated of all of the personality types: profoundly hopeless, nihilistic, self-inhibiting, isolated from others, and full of self-hatred.

Unhealthy Fives with a Four-wing retreat into a very bleak, minimal existence, attempting to cut off from all needs. The self-rejection and dispair of the Four combines with the cynical nihilism of the Five to create a worldview that is relentlessly negative and terrifying. Social isolation, addiction, and chronic depression are common. Suicide is a real possibility.

 

I can relate to a lot of this and have definitely experienced the unhealthy aspect of it. I’m very introverted and intuitive, the intuitive aspect of my personality brings me my HSP sensitivities and introversion amplifies them.

I tend to have to withdraw often to recharge and struggle to keep control of my feelings. I’m detached from reality and experience feelings of disembodied from reality on a daily basis, I think this is what feeds my need to use my Se function since it grounds me in reality.

I’m predominately a feeler in my values and morals but I’m stuck in my mind thinking all the time. Interested in science, psychology, technology, paranormal subjects and tend to lean towards the mystical instead of rational.

I like to investigate and understand the world around me and as a child I used to break things apart and put them back together again to understand how they worked. Always had a big imagination and love the arts. I studied programming growing up and was good at it but ended up working
with digital arts and media because I enjoy that even more.
Probably because it also feeds my inferior function Se as an INFJ, for both good and worse. When I’m stressed I can be very self indulgent and neurotic, isolating myself from the world both in my mind and externally.

Here are some results from cognitive tests I’ve done recently, I feel that I di
ffer somewhat from other INFJs and in some aspects are similar to INFPs. But as you can se my Si inferior is very poorly developed as INFJs/INTJs. If anybody else can relate to any of this please feel free to comment!

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Cognitive Process
Level of Development (Preference, Skill and Frequency of Use)
extraverted Sensing (Se)
*******************  (19.3)
limited use
introverted Sensing (Si)
**********  (10.2)
unused
extraverted Intuiting (Ne)
**************************************  (38.5)
excellent use
introverted Intuiting (Ni)
***************************************  (39.6)
excellent use
extraverted Thinking (Te)
*********************************  (33.5)
good use
introverted Thinking (Ti)
*****************************  (29.6)
average use
extraverted Feeling (Fe)
*************************************  (37.3)
excellent use
introverted Feeling (Fi)
********************************  (32.2)
good use
http://cognitivequiz.com/quiz.html
Your Cognitive Functions:
Introverted Intuition (Ni) |||||||||||||||||||||||| 11.29
Extroverted Intuition (Ne) ||||||||||||||||||||||| 10.58
Extroverted Feeling (Fe) |||||||||||||||||| 8.07
Introverted Feeling (Fi) ||||||||||||| 5.85
Extroverted Thinking (Te) ||||||| 2.93
Introverted Thinking (Ti) ||| 0.69
Extroverted Sensation (Se) || -2.2
Introverted Sensation (Si) |||| -3.23
Your Extroverted Intuition (Ne) is very developed.
Your Introverted Intuition (Ni) is very developed.
Your Introverted Thinking (Ti) is moderate.
Your Extroverted Thinking (Te) is moderate.
Your Extroverted Feeling (Fe) is moderate.
Your Introverted Feeling (Fi) is moderate.
Your Extroverted Sensation (Se) is low.
Your Introverted Sensation (Si) is low.
Humanmetrics Jung Typology Test™
Your Type INFJ
Introvert(78%)  iNtuitive(100%)  Feeling(88%)  Judging(33%)
  • You have strong preference of Introversion over Extraversion (78%)
  • You have strong preference of Intuition over Sensing (100%)
  • You have strong preference of Feeling over Thinking (88%)
  • You have moderate preference of Judging over Perceiving (33%)

Comments

  1. orangegreen says

    Hey, I just wanted to say thank you, an INFJ 5w4 here and on the path to learning more. I have kinda become science oriented and did a lot programming and ict and physics and am now doing selling computer and especially gaming components and doing logistics, and it has been a nice ride along the business and “everyday” world! ;) Although I feel a constant pull towards organizations and leading, perhaps, you know – people – I also feel like terribly drawn to the more mystical side of the world. I would really love to write, when I’ll have enough experience to write from, in my own quiet corner of the world, and also a slight pull to become academically spiritual (read = a monk), or, a creature of the cyberpunk underworld! We’ll see. :) <3

  2. Tipsy says

    Oh God, I totally relate. I could have written this article. I’m INFJ 5w4 as well, I experience it in the same way you explained it. I even dissociate when stressed. And I also studied code and work currently in Digital Arts & Media (actually it looks like a pattern for 5w4s). I’m into science, arts, and paranormal and occult stuff as well. I don’t think I’m an HSP though, at least I hope not.

  3. Briony says

    Hi! This was a really fantastic, and as a fellow 5w4 infj, I really related with almost everything you mentioned. Thank you

  4. says

    Aw, this was an incredibly nice post. Spending some time
    and actual effort to produce a really good article… but what can I say… I hesitate a
    whole lot and never seem to get nearly anything done.

  5. Yolanda says

    I think you are an INTP.
    I am definitely a 5w4 and I used to think I was an INFJ but the profile descriptions don’t fit.
    Have you heard of Socionics? According to that theory the opposite of the second function is as strong as the first one. Ti – Ni combination.

  6. Ace M. says

    I really like your post. I am also type 5 wing 4. I have experienced being unhealthy 5w4 but I surpassed the challenges of being unhealthy. I became an alcoholic and had sexcapades with men. Though some of them offered me relationship, I did not take it. I didn’t like the idea of being in a relationship at that time because I thought that would destroy my privacy. Now, I already recovered and became a normal 5w4. I’m still afraid to be in a relationship but it doesn’t hinder me to connect with others.

  7. Lisa says

    Woah. I am also an INFJ, 5w4, and a HSP. Each one of these things, taken individually, can make one feel isolated and different from everyone else (in both positive and negative ways), but taken all together sometimes makes me feel like I must be completely alone in the world.

    I’m really happy to have learned today that I’m not.

  8. MM says

    I’m also an INFJ 5w4. I think it’s “safer” in T, which is why I’m a 5 versus full 4. But, when I really get into my emotions (which is rare), the heavy 4 wing appears. Thanks for posting.

  9. Kris says

    Wow.
    Really enjoyed this! Can relate a lot and always comforting to know someone is similar to me!
    I am an INFJ and have quite a few friends who are as well, however I’ve noticed we are still very different from one another. Enter enneagram and I am the only one of us that tested 5w4. Makes a lot of senses…and I liked how you described the relation between MBTI and the enneagram! Thanks for your post!

    • says

      Hey!
      So glad to find other 5w4’s!
      I’m actually an ENFP, which makes the combination very rare and uncommon… hehe.
      As a good ENFP I’d love meeting you all! :)
      This is my facebook, in case you want to reach out and chat along… https://www.facebook.com/lmsamperio5
      Please, I’d love to. I always find it quite enlightening to learn from people similar to me.
      Glad to have read this post. Hope to talk to you ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

      • Justin says

        I used to think I was an ENFP, but INFJ makes more sense. You should check out the functions and make sure you aren’t in the same situation. :p INFJs are still dominantly perceptive. Now that I think about it, Enneagram was what had me second guessing my state as an ENFP. I misunderstood my Fe as Ne, and my Ni as Fi. Another good way to think of it is that Ni is subjective, whereas Ne is objective.

        To OP: I feel like I’ve “tinkered” with MBTI and cognitive functions for years in my head, trying to understand it properly (not as we understand it now, but as it truly is).

  10. says

    Okay, I was convinced I was a 4W5 until I read this, now I’m confused. I’m an INFJ, and a lot of this describes me. I’ve had people who have watched the biographical movie about Georgia O’Keefe and tell me my personality seems to be as she was portrayed. I’ve got to consider this….because there is a LOT about 4s I really get…but I do focus on IDEAS a lot. Thank you.

  11. Rochelle says

    Interesting..I test INTJ every time I take the Myers Briggs test, usually with a 99% introversion. Sometimes I don’t feel like I relate to the other INTJs I meet because they seem so good at math and science, whereas I tend to excel in the humanities, art, and music. I definitely approach these subjects in a scientific state of mind however.

    When I took the Enneagram test, the results were 5w4. The description is eerily accurate to my own personality, much more so than Myers Briggs. I also relate to some of the negative and unhealthy aspects you listed which frightens me a bit. Sometimes I feel like an alien or worse, some type of outsider doomed to live, forever, on the peripheral of society. Or that I’m watching from the sidelines, while other people enjoy and succeed in life and never taking part.

    I’m an extreme solitary person and tend to isolate and withdraw from people as a coping mechanism. I do have a penchant for melancholy and sometimes macabre things. It’s nice to know that there are other people out there who feel the same. I know logically I should feel so completely alienated and yet I just am.

    • Alex says

      Thanks for sharing Rochelle! We should never forget that MBTI and Enneagram basically are just systems created for people to understand themselves and others easier. Also in being systems created by man they are limited, and every person is unique so it can never describe someone to complete accuracy. I think there will always be people that are more a blend of types and subtypes, the world is full of diversity. From what you told me we seem quite similar. I would suspect I am more of an INTJ if it was not for that I test 90-100% score on emotional intelligence tests. It seems like this area is very highly evolved for me, more so then other skills and it doesn’t correlate that much with the INTJ model.

      I think it is important in life to give up all expectations, since it is expectations that prevent us from living life to the fullest. It was often the reason for my own isolation when I was younger. Many people are obsessed in figuring out the meaning of life. People fail to see that the whole point of it all is to just live it, nothing else. Many people are afraid and won’t take any risks. Life itself is a risk, and there is no security in isolation, that is just part of the illusion. I found great comfort in how quantum physics can explain all of this and give life meaning and mystery. As an INTJ maybe that would be interesting for you, check this out:

      http://www.amazon.com/E-Squared-Do—Yourself-Experiments-Thoughts/dp/1401938906/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1430941076&sr=8-1&keywords=e+squared

      • Priscilla says

        Thank you, Rochelle, and Thank you, Alex. I am an INFP 5w4 (which some folks say is “impossible”–but that’s okay). Somewhere I read that the 5 type is the type that spends the most time with things like the enneagram and MBTI. And, that’s okay, too. Anything to excess can be a problem, but if one can lean in and enjoy the light in exploring personality/personalities it can be a form of Art.

        I come from a family of scientists and I am not scientific, nor mathematical. I am extremely introverted (self-preservation all the way) but not at all shy. Weirdly in my retirement from academia, I am enjoying substitute teaching young children-through-high-school. Half-days. I love connecting with people in intentional settings.

    • says

      Hey!
      So glad to find other 5w4’s!
      I’m actually an ENFP, which makes the combination very rare and uncommon… hehe.
      As a good ENFP I’d love meeting you all! :)
      This is my facebook, in case you want to reach out and chat along… https://www.facebook.com/lmsamperio5
      Please, I’d love to. I always find it quite enlightening to learn from people similar to me.
      Glad to have read this post. Hope to talk to you ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

  12. Sam Savage says

    I am really glad I ran across this today. My best friend was most definitely an INFJ. I never really understood why certain things sent her over the edge so easily as I have always been able to reconcile my emotions, albeit sometimes after a brief panic, rather easily. I am an INFP but also one of the highly sensitive types with extreme right brain process. I am a feeler, but my friend’s feelings always took on a life of their own. It was as if she had a dark twin that haunted her regardless of her ability to be rational about an upsetting situation and having received numerous, encouraging talks from those who loved her. As an INFJ, she absorbed so much of the painful energy from others and life in general. Because of her genuine and sincere concern for others it was inevitable that her load was heavier than most. and I always knew that we were so similar in our capacity to love and understand other people, but she always took it one step further than me. She would obsess over an issue on another C half and become very worried and upset if they did not comply with what she thought was best for them. Trust me, I went through that many times with her during the course of our friendship. We lived life good and hard when we were together and I don’t regret one moment of our wild and carefree days. While I had some self destructive behavior, she always kept the level head. I was the one, according to all of our friends, most likely to get into trouble. Tam was always a drinker. Slow and steady. Eventually her anxiety had to be managed with medication, and , when combined with the round the clock drinking, her life became unmanageable. She wouldn’t seek employment opportunities after she was laid off of a job where she worked from her home office. By the end of 2012 she was house bound and out her mind during the day. She was trying to ween herself off of some medications and it was becoming so disheartening for her to fathom having any peace in her heart and mind. On, Saturday December 8, 2012, she ended her life when her husband went out to pick up lunch and cool off from a fight. I don’t think it was a planned suicide but when a woman puts a gun in her mouth, she means business. I have never written about her until now. Understanding her INFJ type has helped somewhat for me to reconcile some of my grief. Should I not have known when I spoke with her the day before? We had plans to see each other the following Monday then I got the phone call from her sweet mother telling me she was gone. She was an INFJ without a doubt and I know now how to support those with this type. It’s good to have an outlet as I miss her very much today…Thank you for letting me share…

    • Alex says

      Thanks Sam, I’m very sorry for your loss. I think for many people life can get the best of us and somewhere along the road some lose track of what is important. I have close friends who been in similar situations and I have myself struggled and been on medications. From my own experiences I’m convinced that alcohol, drugs and medications makes it worse and much more difficult to ever get your life back on track. It molds you into someone you where not from the beginning and it’s hard to find yourself again. Finding faith in something that brings you peace in life is most important, but this is also the hardest part. Some find it in their work, others religion and some people in the love they have for each other. Some don’t. We are all unique and we are all the result of our collected experiences in life, which in part we have no control over. Some people we can help, others we simply can’t. My personal view is that life does not end at death. Why would it, death is a natural part of everything in the universe. It is ever changing all the time, nothing stays the same. I think this would not be the case if there was not a reason, I find comfort in this. Your friend lives on in you and in all the good things she did during her life.

  13. Matt says

    I am an INTJ Enneagram 5w4 and I operate much the same way. Breaking things down and putting them back together again was one of my all time favorite things to do. I still do it from time to time and bring out my inner child. Throughout school I ended up being a straight A student, but the overall simplicity was lacking in challenge and brought me a disturbed view of educational standards. With that in mind, I started getting a perfectionist attitude, which was funny because I knew that nobody is perfect. An imperfect perfection is a hypocritical oxymoron based on false dichotomy. Once I moved and lost practically all of my face-to-face friends after graduating high school, this neuroticism stays with me to this very day. I am an unhealthy 5w4, but I feel that I’m hindering myself from getting anywhere because I’m constantly in my mind thinking about my negative attitude. As of now it is really hard for me to associate with anyone due to the hypersensitive intrinsic nature of this beautiful sub-type. So I’ve been at a loss for quite some time. That and trying to figure out what I want to do in life is hard to figure out. People say just go out there and do stuff until you find something that feels right. But to me, that’s not cautious enough and can get you into deep trouble. So, I’m just trying to make ends meet as of now.

    • Alex says

      Hey Matt, thanks for sharing! I feel I hinder myself on a daily basis in many situations just by being such a perfectionist, I am truly my own worst enemy. I am often surprised when people give me compliments for my work or similar, because in most cases it did not reach up to my own ideals. When under stress it can go so far that I create scenarios in my mind that most likely will not happen but by being such a perfectionist I have to include them in the equation. This often result in me missing out on things and especially when it comes to socializing and forming relationships. When it comes to figuring out what you want to do in life I think most people make it harder then it is. You should not make a point of figuring out what you want to do, obviously there must be things you enjoy doing so stick to those. So many people seem to think the point of it all is to play the game, with the game I mean get an education, get a job, find a partner, buy a house, get married, get kids etc. Chase social status, material wealth and money in an endless cycle that will leave you no more happier then you already are. That is an illusion, just take life as it comes and do what you enjoy doing, it will all work out in time. Being cautious can be good but life is a risk no matter how cautious you are, it comes with the territory. Let that go and it will be easier.

    • says

      Hey!
      So glad to find other 5w4’s!
      I’m actually an ENFP, which makes the combination very rare and uncommon… hehe.
      As a good ENFP I’d love meeting you all! :)
      This is my facebook, in case you want to reach out and chat along… https://www.facebook.com/lmsamperio5
      Please, I’d love to. I always find it quite enlightening to learn from people similar to me.
      Glad to have read this post. Hope to talk to you ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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  15. Jesper says

    Here’s what I got and I’ve always been told that I’m a bit atypical…

    Your Cognitive Functions:
    Introverted Intuition (Ni) ||||||||||||||||||||||||||| 12.945
    Extroverted Feeling (Fe) |||||||||||||||||||||||| 11.38
    Introverted Feeling (Fi) |||||||||||||| 6.08
    Extroverted Intuition (Ne) ||||||||||| 4.935
    Extroverted Thinking (Te) |||||| 2.39
    Introverted Thinking (Ti) ||||| 1.99
    Introverted Sensation (Si) |||| 1.47
    Extroverted Sensation (Se) || -1.43

    Your Introverted Intuition (Ni) is very developed.
    Your Extroverted Feeling (Fe) is very developed.
    Your Extroverted Intuition (Ne) is moderate.
    Your Introverted Sensation (Si) is moderate.
    Your Introverted Thinking (Ti) is moderate.
    Your Extroverted Thinking (Te) is moderate.
    Your Introverted Feeling (Fi) is moderate.
    Your Extroverted Sensation (Se) is low.

    • Jesper says

      Is my Si score really “moderate”? It seems low to me, when it comes to hunger, thirst, hygiene and sleeping patterns I am totally lost and my memory is entierly reliant on external activation.

      • Alex says

        Hey Jesper,
        That’s cool you have very similar results as me. I think it only says moderate because of the ratio of the whole, it’s quite low. I’m same as you, can’t feel my limits when it comes to eating and drinking. Hygiene I always cared about though and sleeping patterns I’ve rewired the last 5 years. I used to run on 6 hours sleep a day and be a complete night owl. Now days I’m up with the sun and feel better then ever.

        • Jesper says

          Yes, that sounds reasonable but bad through a systems perspective. I don’t see the benefit of making the “ratio values” subjective to the ratios within each specific test being taken…

          a low functioning thing is always low functioning no matter how well the thing next to it works, no?

          • Jesper says

            Oh. I forgot to mention that my issues with hygiene are pretty much non-existent since two years back or so.

            Sleep, hunger, excretion and many other physical matters are still more or less dysfunctional, though.

          • Alex says

            Yeah I have had to resort to make strict habits and diet/exercise plans to make me handle it better. Still it is not an easy thing, I just spent half a year working some stressful projects and ended up losing 5kg weight without really feeling like I changed my diet in anyway. I think I’m just completely unaware of how my body feels sometimes.

          • Alex says

            I agree, but I think since personality traits and these types of things vary a great deal between people and are still a pretty theoretical model, these issues exist.

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